Click on Owen Jones 'Iran has said no to the demands which have been imposed by the Trump administration which had claimed that Iran had called for negotiations and was trying to pressure to get negotiations doesn't seem to be the reality.
What's going on with the whole kind of MAGA movement and all the rest? Well, I'm really delighted to be joined by Sohrab Ahmari, who is the US editor of Unherd. He's an Iranian-American analyst and also an author, for example, of Tyranny, Inc. very accomplished uh and fascinating thinker. So, I've been following your writing for a while and learned a lot. So, it's great to have you.
Sohrab Ahmari: Likewise. Pleased to be with you.
Owen Jones: Just want to start actually with so look Donald Trump says you know we're we're going to have all these demands they list 25 points I think for their supposed demands to Iran. Iran has come back and said no that the war will not end on the when Trump says so. They say the war will end when they say so and that they say. The US and Israel are losing this war. What do you make of I guess the demands, what Trump's positioning has been and how Iran has responded? What do you think?
Sohrab Ahmari:Well, the sort of barrage of demands are in line with the broader aimlessness and confusion of this war. You'll remember when the president first launched it in that like one, two in the morning message, it really leaned toward regime change, right? We were going to put Iran in the in the hands of its own people. Its destinies in the hands of its people, that sort of stuff. And you heard a lot of regime change type rhetoric. Then it changed to um denuclearization...'
